This is absurd! This is just another way of eating away at our religious freedom!
Also I see as some purulent excuse by criminal justice to subjugate us by making us do that which is immodest in our own eyes and by our own standards.
my body fired my hair i have none, i would hate to have to take my scarf off in public, but would if i had to. I think i am getting used to the lack of locks feeling.
Their logic on this is totally ridiculous!!! It is easier to identify a person by their hair?? What about it would be extremely easy to identify a woman with their hair covered!! I am remembered more often by my head covering than my blue eyes. What about Jewish Orthodox women who wear wigs?? Would wigs be required to be removed? The whole idea of a identifying photo is to be a representation of what I look like everyday. If I take my scarf off..I will not look like I look every day. If a women undergoing chemo takes off her wig she will not look like she does when she goes in to cash a check. As a side note I recently renewed my license and wore my covering and did not have one word spoken to me about it.
Another thing….Hair style and color are the easiest and most often things changed about us. I could go from a long haired blond to a short haired red head in an afternoon!!!
Nothing has changed more about myself in the years since I first got my license, than my hair. It’s been long, medium, and short. I’ve been blonde, brown, and mahogany red. But when I wear my headbands and coverings, they are my most distinctive and distinguishing feature.
If they follow the reasoning that it’s hard to recognize women who cover their hair, why not order women to get new photos when they dye their hair? or lose it due to chemo or trichotillomania? etc? If the government wants to hold one class of women to a standard, then let them hold all women to that standard.
And what about men who cover? Does a Jewish man need to remove his cap? Or those with the wound thing (Sorry, I don’t mean to offend, I just don’t know what to call it!).
All are created equal — then make a law that ALL regardless of religion and gender have to adhere.
I’d agree that removing the head coverings should be unnecessary for a driver’s photo. With all states moving toward digital licenses, the hair should be a non essential element for a photo. Also the previous posters who noted that a change in haircut/haircolor make a substantial difference in appearance are absolutely correct.
I can understand being required to remove, or at least pull back, a covering if it covers a portion of the face or casts a shadow. But I agree, every 6 weeks I have a different hair color. I style it a little differently every 2 – 3 days, as it is long. If someone hopes to identify me by my hair, they are going to have a problem. I don’t cover my hair for religious reasons. I cover it or restrain it sometimes because it is thick and unruly, and if I dry it and straighten it every time I wash it it gets damaged. But I respect others’ religious needs.
I would like to share a recent experience with regard to this. My license was recently expired, and I went to the DMV to renew it. Everything was very pleasant and polite until they instructed me to take off my head covering. The lady said, “Now we just have to take your picture and you will be done. You will have to take your scarf off”. I asked her if it was the law that I would have to take it off. She said, “Well, you just have to take it off”. I live in a town with a sizeable Menonite community (South Central Missouri), so I asked what they did when a Menonite lady came in for a license. They said, “They have never come in”. I have regularly seen many of them driving around town, so I know that they have licenses, so I said, “What if they did? They would not take their head covering off”. They responded, “Well, you don’t have a white cap on.” I stated, “So, are you telling me that if I had a white cap on you would not be asking me to take it off?” They (two women working there)said, “Well, your hair isn’t showing, it has to show”. That day I happened to have braids on because I was doing housekeeping and they were hanging down in the front and were very pronounced. I confronted this lie with the obvious, and held out my braids and said, “My hair IS showing!!!” They said, “Just what religion are you anyway?” I informed them that my religion was my business and not the issue. I asked what they would do if a Muslim woman came in. They said, “We don’t know”. I repeated the question again as to whether it was a law that women could not wear head coverings in their license ID. They proceeded to tell me that they did not know about the law but repeated that I would have to remove my headcovering for the picture, and I informed them that I believed it was lawful to have my head covered and that I was refusing to take it off. I then asked if there was someone that DID know about the law, so that they could ask, and one of the ladies said, “Well, we can call Jeff City, but we have to wait on hold like everybody else, we get no special treatment”. I informed them that I had plenty of time to wait. Well, she reluctantly dialed the phone and got right through. The person in Jeff City informed her that women can wear headcoverings in their license photos as long as their face is not covered. They then became as sweet as they could in their apparent shame, and proceeded to complete the process without any further hassles.
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when i renewed by nj license last year i had to sign something saying i was wearing a headcovering for religious reasons and had to note my haircolor … bit my license pic has me in a tichel!
This is absurd! This is just another way of eating away at our religious freedom!
Also I see as some purulent excuse by criminal justice to subjugate us by making us do that which is immodest in our own eyes and by our own standards.
my body fired my hair i have none, i would hate to have to take my scarf off in public, but would if i had to. I think i am getting used to the lack of locks feeling.
Their logic on this is totally ridiculous!!! It is easier to identify a person by their hair?? What about it would be extremely easy to identify a woman with their hair covered!! I am remembered more often by my head covering than my blue eyes. What about Jewish Orthodox women who wear wigs?? Would wigs be required to be removed? The whole idea of a identifying photo is to be a representation of what I look like everyday. If I take my scarf off..I will not look like I look every day. If a women undergoing chemo takes off her wig she will not look like she does when she goes in to cash a check. As a side note I recently renewed my license and wore my covering and did not have one word spoken to me about it.
Another thing….Hair style and color are the easiest and most often things changed about us. I could go from a long haired blond to a short haired red head in an afternoon!!!
Nothing has changed more about myself in the years since I first got my license, than my hair. It’s been long, medium, and short. I’ve been blonde, brown, and mahogany red. But when I wear my headbands and coverings, they are my most distinctive and distinguishing feature.
If they follow the reasoning that it’s hard to recognize women who cover their hair, why not order women to get new photos when they dye their hair? or lose it due to chemo or trichotillomania? etc? If the government wants to hold one class of women to a standard, then let them hold all women to that standard.
And what about men who cover? Does a Jewish man need to remove his cap? Or those with the wound thing (Sorry, I don’t mean to offend, I just don’t know what to call it!).
All are created equal — then make a law that ALL regardless of religion and gender have to adhere.
I’d agree that removing the head coverings should be unnecessary for a driver’s photo. With all states moving toward digital licenses, the hair should be a non essential element for a photo. Also the previous posters who noted that a change in haircut/haircolor make a substantial difference in appearance are absolutely correct.
I can understand being required to remove, or at least pull back, a covering if it covers a portion of the face or casts a shadow. But I agree, every 6 weeks I have a different hair color. I style it a little differently every 2 – 3 days, as it is long. If someone hopes to identify me by my hair, they are going to have a problem. I don’t cover my hair for religious reasons. I cover it or restrain it sometimes because it is thick and unruly, and if I dry it and straighten it every time I wash it it gets damaged. But I respect others’ religious needs.
There is now the trend of making women remove head coverings to enter many places.
This just serves to publicly humiliate women suffering from hair loss.
I would like to share a recent experience with regard to this. My license was recently expired, and I went to the DMV to renew it. Everything was very pleasant and polite until they instructed me to take off my head covering. The lady said, “Now we just have to take your picture and you will be done. You will have to take your scarf off”. I asked her if it was the law that I would have to take it off. She said, “Well, you just have to take it off”. I live in a town with a sizeable Menonite community (South Central Missouri), so I asked what they did when a Menonite lady came in for a license. They said, “They have never come in”. I have regularly seen many of them driving around town, so I know that they have licenses, so I said, “What if they did? They would not take their head covering off”. They responded, “Well, you don’t have a white cap on.” I stated, “So, are you telling me that if I had a white cap on you would not be asking me to take it off?” They (two women working there)said, “Well, your hair isn’t showing, it has to show”. That day I happened to have braids on because I was doing housekeeping and they were hanging down in the front and were very pronounced. I confronted this lie with the obvious, and held out my braids and said, “My hair IS showing!!!” They said, “Just what religion are you anyway?” I informed them that my religion was my business and not the issue. I asked what they would do if a Muslim woman came in. They said, “We don’t know”. I repeated the question again as to whether it was a law that women could not wear head coverings in their license ID. They proceeded to tell me that they did not know about the law but repeated that I would have to remove my headcovering for the picture, and I informed them that I believed it was lawful to have my head covered and that I was refusing to take it off. I then asked if there was someone that DID know about the law, so that they could ask, and one of the ladies said, “Well, we can call Jeff City, but we have to wait on hold like everybody else, we get no special treatment”. I informed them that I had plenty of time to wait. Well, she reluctantly dialed the phone and got right through. The person in Jeff City informed her that women can wear headcoverings in their license photos as long as their face is not covered. They then became as sweet as they could in their apparent shame, and proceeded to complete the process without any further hassles.
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It makes sense, given that some head covering items can totally change your look!But on the other hand, I think the face is what matters.
when i renewed by nj license last year i had to sign something saying i was wearing a headcovering for religious reasons and had to note my haircolor … bit my license pic has me in a tichel!